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#11 Matthew Winn

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 06:04 PM

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If they are good enough, and prove themselves to be so in the winning role, I don't think winning is a disadvantage.

Not as far as work is concerned, but the winners do seem to be on the receiving end of press intrusion into their personal lives to a far greater extent than the runners-up.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(Matthew Winn @ May 10 2010, 07:04 PM) View Post
Not as far as work is concerned, but the winners do seem to be on the receiving end of press intrusion into their personal lives to a far greater extent than the runners-up.


Whilst the press intrusion is certainly true of the winners, I think some of the runners up have also suffered equally.

What does seem to be emerging is that the public want to see the winner in the role that they won, and not in anything else.

Connie's TV drama was not exactly admired and her stint at the Menier was one of the few musicals not to sell out in the (tiny) venue. Returning to the tour of SoM is not a good career move.

Likewise Lee's foray into Oscar Wilde territory was not a critical hit and the box offices were not under pressure. Taking over a role in a long running musical is not a step forward, but at least he, and Connie have continued to work which is no mean feat.

Jodie? It remains to be seen......

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 06:57 PM

Daniel Boys is the strongest argument for this point - he did Any Dream Will Do, then got Avenue Q which he probably wouldn't have otherwise, but did a great job in that show and so now is known as the guy that did a great job in Avenue Q rather than the runner-up for Joseph. It gave his career a boost, without having the reality TV 'stigma'.

Of course, this is not to say that Lee Mead (for example) hasn't done well. He has, clearly. But put it this way: I shouldn't think Daniel Boys is the slightest bit disappointed that he didn't win.



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Posted 10 May 2010 - 10:29 PM

QUOTE(Marius Pontmercy @ May 10 2010, 06:57 PM) View Post
Daniel Boys is the strongest argument for this point - he did Any Dream Will Do, then got Avenue Q which he probably wouldn't have otherwise, but did a great job in that show and so now is known as the guy that did a great job in Avenue Q rather than the runner-up for Joseph. It gave his career a boost, without having the reality TV 'stigma'.

Of course, this is not to say that Lee Mead (for example) hasn't done well. He has, clearly. But put it this way: I shouldn't think Daniel Boys is the slightest bit disappointed that he didn't win.


The same could be said for Rachel Tucker. Always thought she wouldn't make a great Nancy. I didn't really know what role she would be more suited for I just thought that Nancy wasn't it. Now, having seen her Elphaba I believe that more than ever. She makes a great Elphie and I still can't see her as Nancy!


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 09:47 AM

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The same could be said for Rachel Tucker. Always thought she wouldn't make a great Nancy. I didn't really know what role she would be more suited for I just thought that Nancy wasn't it. Now, having seen her Elphaba I believe that more than ever. She makes a great Elphie and I still can't see her as Nancy!


Having seen Rachel in Wicked I think she is just as bland and unexciting on stage as she was on IDA.  Great vocals, but theres nothing about her that makes you sit up and take notice.

Daniel Boys has had great success, and was always more suited to Ave Q.  In fact, I THINK, he was down to the final few for the original cast before ADWD.  His big test now will be what he does following AVe Q and if he can sustain it.

I think Lee will have a nice career ahead of him, not mega stardom, but will keep working im sure

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 11:17 AM

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Having seen Rachel in Wicked I think she is just as bland and unexciting on stage as she was on IDA.  Great vocals, but theres nothing about her that makes you sit up and take notice.

Daniel Boys has had great success, and was always more suited to Ave Q.  In fact, I THINK, he was down to the final few for the original cast before ADWD.  His big test now will be what he does following AVe Q and if he can sustain it.

I think Lee will have a nice career ahead of him, not mega stardom, but will keep working im sure


I so agree with you about Rachel, there is just no excitement there for me.  I also think she comes across very aggressive but her vocals are great.  I think Lee will do well, seems like a really nice person as well!

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE(Marius Pontmercy @ May 10 2010, 06:57 PM) View Post
Daniel Boys is the strongest argument for this point - he did Any Dream Will Do, then got Avenue Q which he probably wouldn't have otherwise, but did a great job in that show and so now is known as the guy that did a great job in Avenue Q rather than the runner-up for Joseph. It gave his career a boost, without having the reality TV 'stigma'.

Of course, this is not to say that Lee Mead (for example) hasn't done well. He has, clearly. But put it this way: I shouldn't think Daniel Boys is the slightest bit disappointed that he didn't win.


Daniel still has bigger fame from being the guy who should have gone further in Any Dream Will Do than he does from staring in Avenue Q.  That's always going to be part of his CV and he'd be stupid not to include it. But that's also been balanced out by the work he did before the TV show which has helped to maintain his legitimacy in the industry.  Same could be said for Lee, Rachel, and some of the others that are doing well.

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 05:13 AM

QUOTE(Ian @ May 10 2010, 06:28 PM) View Post
Whilst the press intrusion is certainly true of the winners, I think some of the runners up have also suffered equally.

What does seem to be emerging is that the public want to see the winner in the role that they won, and not in anything else.

Connie's TV drama was not exactly admired and her stint at the Menier was one of the few musicals not to sell out in the (tiny) venue. Returning to the tour of SoM is not a good career move.

Likewise Lee's foray into Oscar Wilde territory was not a critical hit and the box offices were not under pressure. Taking over a role in a long running musical is not a step forward, but at least he, and Connie have continued to work which is no mean feat.

Jodie? It remains to be seen......



Regarding Lee Mead's reviews not being a critical hit maybe you should read some.   And the theaters were primarily full. I saw the play in Windsor and Bath and both of these were completely full. And while in some venues the theater was not full it was well above what was normally attended for a straight play.

http://www.thestage.co.uk/reviews/review.p...+%2F+Reviews%29

http://www.britishtheatreguide.info/review...darthur-rev.htm

http://www.thephttp://www.swindonadvertise...atre-sheffield/









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Posted 16 May 2010 - 05:28 AM

QUOTE(KathyG @ May 16 2010, 05:13 AM) View Post
Regarding Lee Mead's reviews not being a critical hit maybe you should read some.   And the theaters were primarily full. I saw the play in Windsor and Bath and both of these were completely full. And while in some venues the theater was not full it was well above what was normally attended for a straight play.

http://www.thestage.co.uk/reviews/review.p...+%2F+Reviews%29

http://www.britishtheatreguide.info/review...darthur-rev.htm

http://www.thephttp://www.swindonadvertise...atre-sheffield/


Just a few more.

http://www.thepublicreviews.com/lord-arthu...chmond-theatre/

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/entertai...well.6115850.jp

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/theatr...rime.6002878.jp






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Posted 23 May 2010 - 03:17 PM

I always wondered whether it was best to be runner up because you possibly then had more choice of which show to go into.  If you win, you're in the role for as long as you're contractually obliged to be along with everything that comes with the TV show, as well as potentially being 'that person from the telly show' forever.  Having had the exposure on the television programme with coming second or third, I'd have thought that you can then ride on the back of it to find a role that will establish you - as several people have said about Daniel Boys for example.  People aren't as interested in the telly tag and they can go on to do what they can in MT independently of it.




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