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Posted 22 May 2008 - 01:49 PM

For the last few weeks, ALW has been banging on about how he wants a streetwise Oliver who convinces as someone who can walk to London on his own. To be played by a 12-year-old who has never heard of porn? Seriously? The show doesn't market itself as being inappropriate for reasonably savvy kids, which I would hope these guys are

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE(armadillo @ May 22 2008, 01:49 PM) View Post
For the last few weeks, ALW has been banging on about how he wants a streetwise Oliver who convinces as someone who can walk to London on his own. To be played by a 12-year-old who has never heard of porn? Seriously? The show doesn't market itself as being inappropriate for reasonably savvy kids, which I would hope these guys are


I'm not sure if you are joking. What about the oral sex references?

You cannot assume that other people's 10 and 11 year olds are going to have the maturity to understand the satire. You could take your own kids, but it would be wrong to take other people' kids. Like letting a bunch of kids watch an 18 rated  film when they are 10, because they're at your house. It's just wrong. Anyway I stand by my comment that the BBC wouldn't have taken them to see the show, unlikely anyway. I was just probing the autheticity of the spoiler (who I happen to believe) wondering what the boys were doing at the Noel Coward theatre because I was intrigued, bored, putting off doing any work.

Sorry to rant if you were joking.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:53 PM

I wasn't joking. These kids are going to be in a show in which is the heroine is a prostitute murdered by her violent cat-burglar boyfriend. I find that far more shocking than references to oral sex (which will go over their heads if they don't know what it is). They probably didn't see the show but I don't see why it would be shocking if they did.

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Posted 22 May 2008 - 03:42 PM

QUOTE(armadillo @ May 22 2008, 02:53 PM) View Post
I wasn't joking. These kids are going to be in a show in which is the heroine is a prostitute murdered by her violent cat-burglar boyfriend. I find that far more shocking than references to oral sex (which will go over their heads if they don't know what it is). They probably didn't see the show but I don't see why it would be shocking if they did.


I'm not saying it would be shocking, I'm just saying it's unlikely.

Have you seen Avenue Q, Armadillo?

The fact is 'Oliver' was first produced as a family show in the 1960's while 'Avenue Q' is a deliberately satirical piece of theatre definitely aimed at an adult audience in the 21st century.

We can go into the sexual politics of wrapping domestic violence and street crime up in hummable tunes if you like. It's a whole other issue.

In general I find the idea of children being exposed to scenes of violence in the media much more offensive than them seeing things with an inappropriate sexual content but I do not think that you can make a sensible comparison in this case!!

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 02:06 PM

I don't think it should be discussed by the public who should be Oliver or who "deserves" the role. It's clear that all the boys have some sort of talent and it's imho wrong to judge children as public outsiders. Let the producers/casting director do their job. None of the boys should be getting any negative feedback at all, they should be praised for their efforts and casting choice will come down to look, age/maturity, type of vocal tone etc. A bit of healthy competition is good but - it's not a job interview people. Yes, they will get paid and have to do a job as such but performing should be fun and enriching for children, not being bashed by any member of the public (who most of the time don't know what they are talking about anyway). It's not a job to pay their rent with for children. It's not their professional calling. It's a HOBBY. I realise it's a high profile West End production but I still think that child actors should in no way be treated like professional adult actors who have chosen this as their profession. Thank god they didn't turn this into a public voting contest too, although I am not ruling it out for one of their future ideas...

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 02:07 PM

And we all know what happened to a lot of child actors who were treated like adults...

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Posted 23 May 2008 - 02:11 PM

"For the last few weeks, ALW has been banging on about how he wants a streetwise Oliver who convinces as someone who can walk to London on his own. To be played by a 12-year-old who has never heard of porn? Seriously? The show doesn't market itself as being inappropriate for reasonably savvy kids, which I would hope these guys are."

It's called acting. You don't need to be a rape victim to play the part convincingly. The above statement shows the person is not in the profession. Having HEARD of something or having actually seen/witnessed it, is a totally different ballgame.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 07:05 PM

Really disappointed in the choice of the final three Olivers.  We would have gone for Chester, Jonny and Alexander.

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Posted 24 May 2008 - 07:36 PM

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Really disappointed in the choice of the final three Olivers.  We would have gone for Chester, Jonny and Alexander.


I agree, although I don't mind Laurence being chosen as one of the 3 because I thin khe has a really beautiful voice. The one I'm most upset about is Chester - he looked so upset during the performances and I think he genuinely deserved it.

Having said that I can understand why CM picked the boys he did. Laurence has a lovely voice, Gwion has the awww factor and Harry is reliable because he's done it all before in Chitty. But what annoyed me was the way in which CM said (during the task) something along the lines of "we've found our three Olivers and I'm sure we all know who they are", which I felt suggested that those three boys had been stand-outs for the role from the beginning which I disagree with.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:33 AM

QUOTE(Lia_246 @ May 24 2008, 07:36 PM) View Post
But what annoyed me was the way in which CM said (during the task) something along the lines of "we've found our three Olivers and I'm sure we all know who they are", which I felt suggested that those three boys had been stand-outs for the role from the beginning which I disagree with.


ALW said that, not CM! But I agree with you... I like the Olivers who have been chosen, but I also liked the other Olivers in the final which could also be chosen as Oliver and I'm sure they would have been as good as the winning Olivers... imho the three boys had not been stand-outs, all eight of them were actually really really outstanding! I hope we will see the others soon on stage as well, but there aren't many musicals with children currently playing, are they? Chitty closed, Whistle closed, Mary Poppins closed...




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