Posted 11 October 2008 - 10:15 AM
For me Rhydian was one of the stand out performances but it seems that to say this is like a red rag to a bull for some established members of the site. I honestly don't get it? From their body language, he seemed to have the respect of the conductor and other artists. He is a nice young man, well educated musically, he has a lovely voice (I listened again last night on Radio 2).
....so please, no sarcasm because I am honestly asking the question seriously, I can't believe it is because he entered a talent show as so did Lee Mead - why is it apparently considered 'poor judgement' to like Rhydian, or have I totally got hold of the wrong end of the stick?
Posted 11 October 2008 - 03:01 PM
Posted 11 October 2008 - 03:31 PM
There are two types of fans. There are normal fans, who like someone's work and that's as far as it goes. And there are crazy fans, who take it as a personal affront if anyone disagrees with their assessment of that person, who cannot tolerate any dissenting opinion, who build up elaborate fantasies to justify their preference, who think their favourite is capable of every role ever created, and who launch campaigns of aggression against anyone who has the temerity to think less of the person in question than they do.
Rhydian Roberts has more than his fair share of the second type of fan.
It's as if their entire self-image is based on him. It's not enough for them to like him; they need everyone else to agree in order to validate their opinion. If someone doesn't agree they're accused of "jealousy" or "ignorance". (The "jealousy" argument is pretty much the hallmark of the delusional fan on this forum.)
As far as this forum in particular is concerned, we're suspicious of Rhydian's fans because of the way the lunatic fringe of fandom behaved back at the start of this year. They organised a flood of postings in which half a dozen or so people pretended to be many more posters and tried to bully everyone else into submission, all in the hope that if they made Rhydian look popular enough word would get back to Andrew Lloyd Webber who would then give him a lead role. They did their level best to upset as many people as possible. This is a discussion forum, but they weren't here to discuss anything. They were here to cause trouble.
So to answer your question, it's not poor judgment to like Rhydian Roberts. It is, however, poor judgment to think that he's so wonderful that he can transcend his lack of theatre experience and be able to handle a lead role in a musical, and it is poor judgment to think that anyone who doesn't like him is jealous or ignorant. If his fans want to discuss him I'm sure nobody would have any problem, but experience suggests that there's not much chance of that happening.
Posted 11 October 2008 - 03:41 PM
The likeability factor? Of course that is personal taste always and noone is universally liked. The world would be a boring place if there was no difference in who and what we all like. Yes his looks are unusual, but he has a beautiful smile. He has done some performances 'in character' which may be misinterpreted as him being strange, though among a theatre loving group that should be easily distinguishable. He has been recording an album - out next month - which will I suppose be a test of his likeability? I had a bit of a dig using Google and any people who have actually met him say how really nice he is - his teachers, fellow contestants who lived with him, Andrew Johnson, Simon Cowell - so is the question mark on likeability just a looks thing?
I thought Lee Mead likeable too and enjoyed his performances. He is well suited to the handsome hero roles and I like his voice.
I can well see that the multiple identity thing is likely to have raised ill feeling and wariness, though I would not tarnish the artist for the behaviour of a small handful of fanatics. Problems are probably largely due to the anonymity and ease of misuse of the internet - often ill mannered if You Tube is an example. Thanks anyway for explaining the 'atmosphere' which was puzzling. Rereading the thread with your information made more sense as the negativity was marked. I did notice though that those who were bluntly critical were often critical of more than one artist.
The inexperienced artist - isn't that exactly what ALW has been doing or have all his show winners been experienced. I did not watch so don't know their backgrounds. Lee Mead is certainly a find. As an ALW fan, I am personally very happy to wait for his casting choices and will be open to enjoy whoever he decides. He is the one with the original vision after all.
Thanks again to both of you -
Posted 12 October 2008 - 08:08 PM
Tommy:OK, type A. They're real easy. Jump right into bed witcha. Then later on, they bust your balls. Type B. First, they play hard to get. Then later on, they bust your balls.
Frankie: I don't get it.
Tommy:Don't worry, you will.
Posted 12 October 2008 - 08:30 PM
Posted 13 October 2008 - 10:33 AM
Posted 14 October 2008 - 07:38 AM
Posted 14 October 2008 - 08:11 AM
I have to agree with you. I found him refreshing on the X-Factor as he was bringing something different to the competition, BUT, I didn't like his interpretation of the song at the ALW birthday and he was horrible to watch. I thought I might think differently just 'hearing' him on the radio - but unfortunately it left me just wishing that they had let Ramin Karimloo sing it instead.
Interestingly the other performance I found distinctly 'forgettable' was Jonathan Ansell (ex G4) and I wonder whether it shows that, whilst good singers, they are not at this time capable enough to pull off musical theatre performances.
Just my opinion
Posted 14 October 2008 - 07:18 PM
However, performance is about how the listener feels too, which is individual and of course influenced by personal taste as we see from the diverse opinions here. I could tell the current Phantom is very good but did not make me want to hear more of him specifically. Although I adore Michael Crawford singing Music Of The Night, I felt that Rhydian's voice and power on the deeper notes added something special that I had not heard before.
Perhaps he has chosen to play to his greatest strength and that is why his ambition is to be a recording artist. Hence his album may still appeal to some who did not like his MOTN performance. It did occur to me that the opera stage and close up TV require different styles of presentation so whether his performance worked may have in part depended on whether you watched him directly or the screens
Of course, I expect different people to have different favourite versions and it seems that in Rhydianís case, as the expression goes, one manís milk is another manís poison. He is on my radar now, so I will definitely continue to watch with interest.
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