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#299392 Love Never Dies Uk Tour '14.

Posted Mrs Lovett's Meat Pie on 05 April 2014 - 12:37 PM

Love Never Dies AKA Andy Never Gives Up


#290591 Stephen Ward - The Musical

Posted Viserys on 26 January 2014 - 08:49 AM

View PostJay78uk, on 25 January 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Thirdly, the profumo affair as others have pointed out is little known by those under 50, and certainly is of no interest (or much relevance) to overseas tourists. And tourists certainly were not there on tuesday night- just white, middle class couples generally over 50.

Well, I'm an overseas tourist, who finally got to see the show yesterday (and below 50, too!). I honestly don't think it doesn't matter that the Profumo affair is not well-known among the young and foreign. With this reasoning, Evita should only appeal to Argentinian people of a certain age and look how that show did.

The drab title is certainly a problem - when the name doesn't ring a bell, why would you care for the show at all?

But I wasn't too impressed with the show itself either. Way too many "dialogue songs" and too little insights into the leads. I would have liked to hear much more about the two girls, who they were, where they came from, what made them dive into this world of "old rich men"? Clever lyrics could have drawn a comparison to today's vapid IT-girls. The second act was even worse as the trial dragged on - come on, we knew how it ended. Ward/Hanson was just sitting there, staring. Would have loved to have a song from him there how he felt about it all. And why no song from Mandy and/or Charlotte how THEY felt about it all? Did the writers not dare to go there because the two women are still alive? Instead we get the big 11 o'clock ballad from someone we don't know and don't give a damn about (Profumo's wife), not to mention that these godawful "Ooooh, I know my man sucks but I'm a woman, so I'm gonna stick by him because I luuurve him so and can't be alone" songs should have died out 20 years ago. Lovely tune should have been used for something for the girls.

There's a good show in there, but not the way it's done now.


#288373 Stephen Ward - The Musical

Posted MrBarnaby on 04 January 2014 - 01:05 AM

As soon as it closes, ALW will blame the director.. The designer... Just like he did with LND. Before it opened , they were all amazing.. And he loved the design. After it closed, the designer was blamed for the show failing. Totally outrageous in my opinion.


#286173 Stephen Ward - The Musical

Posted Horton on 08 December 2013 - 06:24 AM

View PostTitan, on 08 December 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

Thing is Sondheim can have showa sounding similar and no one cares because its cool to like Sondheim.  But ALW gets flack

Oh please!  If someone's critical response is different from your own it must be because they just want to be cool?  How simplistic.

The problem with ALW is he makes such bombastic claims in his attempt to sell a show that he puts himself front and centre in the firing line.  You don't hear Sondheim- or Wildhorn, Jason Robert Brown or Michael John LaChiusa for that matter- proclaiming this or that to be their greatest score, or this person to be the greatest leading lady, or this or that to be the last show with decent songs.  They have a little more grace, tact and sense.  So he sets himself up to be knocked down- and worse still, the mediocrity of his recent work gives critics plenty of ammunition.

Sadly, this topic seemed ripe for drama, and the "cool" setting would be ideal for another score of 'JCS' or 'Evita', quality, but it appears ALW hasn't got one of those left in him.


#259741 Andrew Lloyd Webbers New Musical Stephen Ward

Posted bickypeg on 24 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

To many of us however it was the political aspects of the scandal that were most fascinating.Profumo sharing a teenage call-girl with the Soviet naval attache at the height of the Cold War and then lying to the House about it.It was the lying that cost him his job and his reputation.To leave him out of the story and focus on a whitewash job of Ward seems to miss a real opportunity for a very meaty musical.


#258914 Andrew Lloyd Webbers New Musical Stephen Ward

Posted ptwest on 18 March 2013 - 07:37 PM

I kind of think of Lloyd Webber now in the same way as an ageing rock group - new albums come every so often, the fan base buy them to get a good initial sale, but then the sales drop quickly, rather than the mega sales of earlier in their career. It's become the same with ALW musicals now. Perhaps if he stops trying to go for the blockbuster this might make his work more interesting.


#285824 Stephen Ward - The Musical

Posted RL1 on 05 December 2013 - 06:58 AM

View Postmjr, on 05 December 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

It wont attract the same negative publicity online mainly because of the subject matter. LND was such a disaster online because so many 'phans' had there own idea as to how the story of phantom continued.

Or they just didn't think it should be continued. What was wrong with leaving it to the audience's imaginations? Now if Gaston Leroux had actually written a sequel, that would have been something else. With that said, I still think it could have done better with a better storyline and a script. We'll never know though, or at least I don't think. It would have to be the most radical revision ALW's ever done. Australia improved it slightly. But slightly wasn't good enough, IMO.


#275945 Evita Uk Tour 2013

Posted Mothers Younger Brother on 22 August 2013 - 06:42 PM

I loved the London revival! Elena Roger was nothing short of thrilling!


#283011 Evita Uk Tour 2013

Posted Showstopper on 05 November 2013 - 12:22 AM

He is 20years too old for the part. How ALW has allowed him to play this role and ruin this perfectly good production I would never know. Stunt casting to the max!!




#277986 Love Never Dies Uk Tour '14.

Posted Showstopper on 12 September 2013 - 07:35 PM

Kenwright wanted to tour the westend version. The Lord wanted to tour the oz version.

No tour now planned.


End of the road for phantom 2.


#276480 Les Mis Voted Greatest Musical, Wicked 2Nd, Phantom 3Rd

Posted mrkringas on 29 August 2013 - 11:07 AM

Such a depressing list!

Ghost? Priscilla? Starlight Express? Love Never Dies? Fame?!

Even Spiderman made the list..


#276192 Stephen Ward - The Musical

Posted DeNada on 25 August 2013 - 09:10 PM

View PostTitan, on 25 August 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

This is being treated more like a play in terms of a lower key approach to marketing which I think for now is the right thing to do. They dont have an angle, theres no star, no well known songs, no brand recognition.  I suspect they are hoping for a strong opening and word of mouth and kick it into gear then.

While this can work for a play - and would probably work better here if ALW were better respected these days - the only cold openings of plays we get in the West End these days do have angles and stars - think Peter and Alice, or The Audience.  The big West End plays of the past few years - your Jerusalems, your Enrons, your Chimericas - have all had hugely successful subsidised runs to build up that word of mouth before hitting the West End (and I guess Jerusalem had Mark Rylance and Mackenzie Crook but arguably no-one knows who Mark Rylance is outside of postcodes beginning WC).

Stephen Ward is and was always going to be a very hard sell.  I guess at least the marketing is mildly interesting, unlike, say, From Here To Eternity.


#260844 Evita Uk Tour 2013

Posted tommo2k on 03 April 2013 - 02:25 PM

Didn't rate her in les mis at all - not a fan of her voice. More reason to avoid this!


#260067 Oliviers-Tragic Year For Musicals

Posted Titan on 26 March 2013 - 04:42 PM

The problem is it just goes to the show with the biggest active online fan base (e.g. Wicked, Les mis etc). Its a token award really, doesnt mean anything (mind you do any awards mean anything).


#259183 Love Never Dies Westend 2013

Posted Titan on 20 March 2013 - 07:00 PM

ALW always wants his latest show to be a hit as its always his best yet.

For me the set was ugly and sparse, it didnt create the feel Coney Island should have.  The cast was mostly good although having seen the dvd I think the Australian Christine was far superior an actress compared to Sierra. But the main issue is the story. A sequel to Phantom was never needed, but it could have been handled so much better.  Theres no dramatic tension and the child plot is unbelievable.  They would have been better if they had kept sinister overtones and the Phantom gets Christine over under false pretences to be close to her again, there was no need for the kid.  The CD mentions a fire that destroyed Coney Island, that I think would have made for a more thrilling finale with someone dieing in the fire.  But either way it would have ended up being a rehash of the original. Phantom wants Christine, she is drawn to him, she has to choose.  The score i think is strong but I just dont think the show can be saved as the biggest problem is the story and concept.